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 Post subject: Battery upgrade upon replacement
PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:40 am 
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Anyone know if VW will offer an upgrade to 35kW when the time comes for a 24kw pack needs to be replaced? It would seem logical, as long as the MQB module architecture is maintained.

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 Post subject: Re: Battery upgrade upon replacement
PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 11:38 am 
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The answer is a 90% no.

Who's going to pay for the difference, might as well buy another car. (Labor, battery cost, rewiring, etc)

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 Post subject: Re: Battery upgrade upon replacement
PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:20 am 
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I think the answer is a resounding 'maybe'...

If the batteries in the current egolfs start to fail before the 8 year mark, does VW have a stockpile of 24kwh batteries sitting around? maybe...

I thought I read the new higher capacity pack is the same format as the current pack, so it should be a software mod only to support the higher capacity.

Although, with VW, we are talking about a company that advertises a 'Modular Infotainment Platform' (MIB/MIB2) but doesn't allow you to upgrade any of the modules... or teases concept vehicle after concept vehicle but then either never produces them or brings them to limited markets...

So I'm sticking with maybe, but expect to be disappointed!


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 Post subject: Re: Battery upgrade upon replacement
PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 8:58 am 
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I recently found out there's a 3rd party that will upgrade batteries in a BMW i3 from 60 Ah to 94 Ah for around $8,000 USD. That makes financial sense because you can a get a 2014 i3 BEV for under $20k vs. the $50k a similarly equipt 2017 model would set you back.

With the e-Golf, the price gap between new and used is much slimmer, assuming the 36 kWh models sell for $30-37k MSRP. So even if possible, it wouldn't be all that practical, at least not now.

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 Post subject: Re: Battery upgrade upon replacement
PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:21 pm 
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johnnylingo wrote:
I recently found out there's a 3rd party that will upgrade batteries in a BMW i3 from 60 Ah to 94 Ah for around $8,000 USD. That makes financial sense because you can a get a 2014 i3 BEV for under $20k vs. the $50k a similarly equipt 2017 model would set you back.

With the e-Golf, the price gap between new and used is much slimmer, assuming the 36 kWh models sell for $30-37k MSRP. So even if possible, it wouldn't be all that practical, at least not now.


So who is this mysterious 3rd party supplying after-market batteries for i3's?


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 Post subject: Re: Battery upgrade upon replacement
PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 4:29 pm 
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OregonvwFarmer wrote:
johnnylingo wrote:
I recently found out there's a 3rd party that will upgrade batteries in a BMW i3 from 60 Ah to 94 Ah for around $8,000 USD. That makes financial sense because you can a get a 2014 i3 BEV for under $20k vs. the $50k a similarly equipt 2017 model would set you back.

With the e-Golf, the price gap between new and used is much slimmer, assuming the 36 kWh models sell for $30-37k MSRP. So even if possible, it wouldn't be all that practical, at least not now.


So who is this mysterious 3rd party supplying after-market batteries for i3's?


BMW. Really... it's BMW themselves which will soon offer the 96ah battery upgrade to owners of older i3s.

you can get dirt cheap 3 year old i3s in Canada for $23,000 compare to brand new ones around $51,000. Throw in a $9,000 battery upgrade which takes the i3 to about 183km of range.

So not quite as good as a brand new 2017 eGolf but if you insist on an i3, it may be a better deal than a new one.

2017 eGolf, 201 km @ 35,995 - 12389 incentive = 23,606
2017 i3 , 183km @ 51,000 - 12389 incentive = 38,611
2014 i3, 183km @ 23000 + 96ah upgrade @ 9000 = 32,000

Incentive for Ontario, Canada


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 Post subject: Re: Battery upgrade upon replacement
PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 6:28 pm 
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Zeuser wrote:
BMW. Really... it's BMW themselves which will soon offer the 96ah battery upgrade to owners of older i3s.


Yup, here's the article:

BMW i3 94 Ah (33 kWh) Battery Upgrade May Soon Hit US Market

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That doesn't seem like good economy. $6K difference in exchange for three year older technology and worse interest rates.

In any case, I would not expect that from VW. They aren't going to offer larger packs. In fact, I think they will change the chassis from MQB by then anyway.


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 Post subject: Re: Battery upgrade upon replacement
PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:57 pm 
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Danke euch allen, for all the informative discussion!
Just curious, what is meant by the mention of
60, 93Ah batteries for the i3? That's not very much
capacity, as a single, typical car starter battery has
around 100Ah.


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 Post subject: Re: Battery upgrade upon replacement
PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 2:31 am 
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nvm


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