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 Post subject: Re: eGolf 30 month review
PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:23 pm 
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I think this "review" is not so much on the e-Golf as a car, but rather a critique on the state of public charging and society. Personally, I have never had a problem with public charging because I have 240V charging available at home for my two electric cars. I never NEED AC charging because our commutes and airports are within the round trip range of our cars. If I do need to go beyond the single charge range, DC Fast Charging has worked well for me. I have never had to wait for a fast charger while on the road.

As EVs get larger batteries, the need to charge in public is reduced. Also, providing chargers at apartment complexes in sufficient numbers for the residents will also open up convenient EV ownership to more people. Obviously, the best and most convenient EV experience is starting every day with a full battery.

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 Post subject: Re: eGolf 30 month review
PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:46 pm 
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miimura wrote:
As EVs get larger batteries, the need to charge in public is reduced. Also, providing chargers at apartment complexes in sufficient numbers for the residents will also open up convenient EV ownership to more people


Very important points to consider long-term, and should lower the strain on L2 charging stations. Personally I've found they're getting more and more difficult to get access to, but often the root issue is them being too darn cheap. I really wish everyone could agree to put pricing in the $0.30 - 0.50 per kWh range. That would be reasonable for BEV users that need it but expensive to discourage the PHEV owners to can just charge at home. If the local governments want to help install cheap chargers, work on getting them in apartment buildings.

Personally for me, even with a home L2 charger, the range on the 2015/2016 models has been an issue. I lose 1/3rd of my battery coming up the hill which makes calculations complex and requires planned L2 charging stops. Upgrading to 100+ mile range w/ DCFC would cure those worries, and it's disappointing getting a 2017/2018 e-Golf isn't an option right now. But, cest la vie...on to the i3.

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 Post subject: Re: eGolf 30 month review
PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 8:30 am 
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johnnylingo wrote:
miimura wrote:
As EVs get larger batteries, the need to charge in public is reduced. Also, providing chargers at apartment complexes in sufficient numbers for the residents will also open up convenient EV ownership to more people


Very important points to consider long-term, and should lower the strain on L2 charging stations. Personally I've found they're getting more and more difficult to get access to, but often the root issue is them being too darn cheap. I really wish everyone could agree to put pricing in the $0.30 - 0.50 per kWh range. That would be reasonable for BEV users that need it but expensive to discourage the PHEV owners to can just charge at home. If the local governments want to help install cheap chargers, work on getting them in apartment buildings.

Personally for me, even with a home L2 charger, the range on the 2015/2016 models has been an issue. I lose 1/3rd of my battery coming up the hill which makes calculations complex and requires planned L2 charging stops. Upgrading to 100+ mile range w/ DCFC would cure those worries, and it's disappointing getting a 2017/2018 e-Golf isn't an option right now. But, cest la vie...on to the i3.


Another great point. When I go up the hill towards Auburn, I found that the eGold uses significanly more battery range...almost 3 to 1. A 15 mile drive will suck down over half the battery. While I get some of that back on the way down, it is nowhere near on par.


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 Post subject: Re: eGolf 30 month review
PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 8:44 am 
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miimura wrote:
I think this "review" is not so much on the e-Golf as a car, but rather a critique on the state of public charging and society. Personally, I have never had a problem with public charging because I have 240V charging available at home for my two electric cars. I never NEED AC charging because our commutes and airports are within the round trip range of our cars. If I do need to go beyond the single charge range, DC Fast Charging has worked well for me. I have never had to wait for a fast charger while on the road.

As EVs get larger batteries, the need to charge in public is reduced. Also, providing chargers at apartment complexes in sufficient numbers for the residents will also open up convenient EV ownership to more people. Obviously, the best and most convenient EV experience is starting every day with a full battery.


You are correct, it is more of a critique on society as a whole and I feel it's worth stating.

I have watched the EV community drastically change in the last 30 months. In Dec 2015, charging stations were always available and there was a certain chivalry, for lack of a better term. We all knew the reality of range anxiety and had a respect for one another. People would put notes on their dash that said something to the effect of "feel free to unplug me if the charging is down". Heck, some people even made little hangers for the charger that stated what time you could unplug them.

This chivalry probably still exists with the BEVs, but it's harder to see with all the Plug in Hybrids mucking it up. The i3 is an exception, in my opinion, but cars like the Prius, Fusion, eTron, etc. have very short battery ranges and are basically using the charging stations at City garages and Airports are reserved parking.

So the positives:

The eGolf has been a great little commuter. The interior is nice, the stereo pretty good and here is a surprising amount of space inside. The fit and finish is pretty darn good. All and all, it has been a very good value.

Other bonuses: I get a discounted rate form PG&E for registering my eGolf with them.

This car was a vast departure from my norm. My prior cars, from newest to oldest, were an Audi S5, a Pontiac GTO, a Saab Aero, a Saab SPG. There is a certain theme there, so the deck was stacked against the eGolf from the beginning. I in no way regret leasing this little commuter, though. It has been a fantastic commuter, comfortable and solid.

Back to my opinion, though. If they want a bigger market share, it needs to be more than a fantastic commuter for a 60ish mile round trip, flat commute (I say 60ish because I believe a commuter needs to be flexible enough for side trips on the way home).


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 Post subject: Re: eGolf 30 month review
PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:57 pm 
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Agree on the range of my 2016 Egolf.

I live at the top of a hill, so the average 75 mile [after an all night charge] gains to 85-100 as I head downhill towards the freeway. Great for to & from work, but a side trip is difficult to add on.

The 2018 will have 125 mile range - but even that is not ideal for a weekend getaway. If I didn't despise the cartoon look of electric cars I would jump to another brand, at least VW stayed true to Golf design.

*jealous you had a GTO*


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 Post subject: Re: eGolf 30 month review
PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:57 am 
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eeeeek wrote:
I was stranded on the side of the road with a flat tire for 1.5 hours because it doesn't have a space.


Same issue (sort of) with recent model year BMWs. They come with overpriced and under-gripped (I know, they are getting better, but still) Run Flats. Thing is, I want my ICE car to be my road tripper and no spare is unacceptable. Not even any room to carry one unless you sacrifice luggage space. At least with the eGolf some folks have figured out a way to carry a spare without encroaching on luggage space.

I normally think we're fine since our eGolf does not go too far from home, but a recent local forum member's flatbed experience at a beach up the coast was an eye opener since my wife and I sometimes drive the eGolf to Pescadero area beaches. (Last time we took the BMW 540iT instead and I wound up getting my first ticket in more than 25 years and we were just cruising.)

For us the range is fine for what we use the car for. I would like something that gets 250 miles minimum in all weather conditions with climate control on, but for now an ICE car for range extension (we have three, a beater Audi 4000 quattro, a garage queen 1983 Audi Ur Quattro, and the 2000 BMW 540iT wagon--which has a full size spare because it is old).

With it becoming apparent we may not get 2018 eGolfs in the USA we are feeling really fortunate to have bought our 2015 used when we did. I suspect demand for used eGolfs may rise for a short time until we start seeing the new offerings from the industry in the next few years.

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 Post subject: Re: eGolf 30 month review
PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:30 am 
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msvphoto wrote:
Thing is, I want my ICE car to be my road tripper and no spare is unacceptable.


This is my thought too, but in reality all my flats have occurred within 10 miles of home, running over a bolt, screw, nail, or rock. That doesn't happen on the open highway. My new i3 won't have a spare either, but I'm planning to take it on a road trips where a flat tire would be a huge problem. Perhaps I'll regret that decision.

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 Post subject: Re: eGolf 30 month review
PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:16 pm 
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BKipp wrote:
*jealous you had a GTO*


It's the car I regret selling. Stupid, simple fun. Big engine, rear wheel drive and stone simple. It had a fantastic interior and an understated look.

Along that vein, I have returned to the land of the V8s, thus ending my BEV experiment. The eGolf was so affordable that I socked away enough money for a substantial down payment on a Jaguar F-Type R.


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