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 Post subject: Speculation about 2019 e-Golf
PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:26 am 
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The lease on my 2016 e-Golf SE ends at the end of 2018, and I find that I still prefer it after taking a Bolt EV for a test drive. Tesla scares me, besides being more expensive than I'm willing to pay.

Meanwhile, my rep at Capitol VW in San Jose has limited stock and selection of 2018 e-Golfs, but expects to hear details about a 2019 e-Golf mid-December, with stock arriving in March 2019 to bridge the gap before the VW ID arrives. So I'm taking a gamble that there might be some kind of improvements on the 2019, and extending my lease.

The one real improvement that I can think of would be a battery pack upgraded to 48 kWh, a change has been speculated about for at least a year, so perhaps it's vaporware. However, I'm guessing the 2019 e-Golf itself has to be released some time for compliance reasons.

I'd be interested to hear what the longtime VW observers in the forum think...

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 Post subject: Re: Speculation about 2019 e-Golf
PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 10:12 am 
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I'd love to see the e-Golf get more range. Here's what's happened to the battery pack so far (PHEV2 is the designation for the rectangular "prismatic" cells in the e-Golf pack): 2015 had 264 25 Ah PHEV2 cells at 3.67 nominal voltage per cell (25*264*3.67=24.2 kWh). Then the 2017 was given 37 Ah PHEV2 cells (37*264*3.67=35.8 kWh). I have read that Samsung SDI currently offers 50 Ah PHEV2 cells (50*264*3.67=48.4 kWh). I think this would give the e-Golf nearly 170 miles of range. Will VW switch? I suspect the 50 Ah cells cost more than the 37 Ah cells, and they have more mass,too. But what about cooling (and heating)? Can VW get away with a more massive pack that is passively heated and cooled? Maybe. Would VW charge more for a 48.4 kWh e-Golf?

Let's say VW put the 48.4 kWh pack and kept charging rates the same - at 7.2 kW that's about 7 hours for a full charge from empty and if VW says it takes 1 hr to get to 80% SOC with the 2017, I'm guessing at 40 kW they would have to say it would take 1.5 hours to get to 80%. The question is, are people willing to wait that long? So maybe VW would need to up the pack voltage? That would mean the pack would get hotter during charging and thus, maybe needs liquid cooling. Considering the engineering expense it would take to re-engineer the car for a liquid cooled pack, I suspect this is cost prohibitive for a model VW will phase out soon. So I'm guessing the pack will not get larger for 2019. But I hope I'm wrong.

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 Post subject: Re: Speculation about 2019 e-Golf
PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 1:41 pm 
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I can't see VW investing any more changes to the Mk7. If there is a 2019 E-Golf, I can only imagine making Level 3 standard on the SE models and making DAP standard on the SEL's.


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 Post subject: Re: Speculation about 2019 e-Golf
PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 6:39 pm 
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The e-Golf will be replaced by the Neo in 2020, which will supposedly have battery packs in the 60 - 90 kW range. So it is very doubtful they'd bother with the effort of bigger batteries in the 2019s.

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 Post subject: Re: Speculation about 2019 e-Golf
PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 4:32 pm 
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The dealer shown me there are no major changes to the 2019 egolf. I ended up purchase the 2018 eGold SE with Fast Charger for $7,135 off MSRP (plus $7,500 tax credit). I did not want to take my chance and pay more for 2019 model year without any additional gain in range or features!


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 Post subject: Re: Speculation about 2019 e-Golf
PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:17 pm 
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I missed picking up a 2018 before stock ran out, but I'm talking to a couple of dealers about 2019s; one reports getting a few on their lot as of 12/18. There's a feature matrix one sent -- I don't have a place to host it, otherwise I would share it here.

It looks like the 2019s are getting some more features standard, perhaps as compensation for not keeping up with competitors with regard to range. DCFC is now standard for both SE and SEL, and all US stock apparently is getting shipped with Driver Assist Package bundled, adding $695 to MSRP, previously unavailable on SEs.

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 Post subject: Re: Speculation about 2019 e-Golf
PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 7:12 pm 
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It'll be interesting to see when the 2019 model year will actually be available in the States. It was my understanding from the Boston-area dealer where I bought my 2018 e-Golf that the 2018s were not officially released until October of this year, just getting in under the wire for emissions compliance for the year.

The 2019 MY is already available in Canada, though they only have one trim level available called the Comfortline, which appears to be a U.S. SE trim, with all of the features of the U.S. SEL Premium trim with DAP available as options. More info here: https://www.vwmodels.ca/2019/egolf/

In any case with the ID line forthcoming and many MEB platform EVs in the works from VAG in the next couple of years, the e-Golf is pretty clearly a stopgap, bridge measure that VW is using so that they can say they have something electric on the market, so I don't expect to see the 2019 or 2020 (if they have one) with any significant upgrades. Not a bad thing necessarily, as owning the e-Golf has been a great experience for me thus far and has suited our needs just fine. In fact, owning it has me considering what they might have for me when it comes time to replace my Outback in a couple of years time. The Outback will definitely be my last ICE vehicle in any case.

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 Post subject: Re: Speculation about 2019 e-Golf
PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:05 pm 
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Looks like the 2019s will be arriving in the Bay Area at least within a few weeks. Sunnyvale says they're "arriving daily" and Stevens Creek lists a few "in transit". The latter has about 10 2017/2018 models still on the lot. Capital claims to have two 2019s - I'll stop by there tomorrow and see.

I did notice the MSRP for a base 2019 SE has increased to $33k. This would indicate that DC fast charging is now standard. It'll be really interesting to see what types of deals people can get. With the White/Green HOV stickers here expiring on December 31st, I imagine the discounts will be minimal.

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 Post subject: Re: Speculation about 2019 e-Golf
PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:39 pm 
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I was contacted by Dirito, Walnut Cree VW earlier this week and they said they just received (2) 2019 eGolf. They mentioned that both have DC Fast Charge and Driver Assist Package (which included Blind Spot Monitoring, Autonomous Pedestrian Braking and Adaptive Cruise Control). Therefore I think those "options" might have been Standard the 2019 model year.
I did not ask for any pricing information since I am no longer in the market!
I am happy with the deal I got for the 2018 and don't think there will be too many incentives on the 2019.


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 Post subject: Re: Speculation about 2019 e-Golf
PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:04 pm 
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The rush for red California HOV stickers makes me wonder if I might do better to wait until later in 2019, and sit on a lease extension in the meantime. I don't use the freeways that much...

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