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 Post subject: Re: Ontario, Canada. Volks dealerships are inconsistent
PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:25 pm 
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As I mentioned before, there are cars already on the ground in the US with the 35.8kWh battery as well. VW America is holding them until they sell enough of the old stock 2016's.



Therein lies the catch 22. Have all the 2015's even completely sold yet? What's your estimate of existing 2016 remaining stock in CA dealership hands?

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 Post subject: Re: Ontario, Canada. Volks dealerships are inconsistent
PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:51 pm 
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miimura wrote:
As I mentioned before, there are cars already on the ground in the US with the 35.8kWh battery as well. VW America is holding them until they sell enough of the old stock 2016's.

Therein lies the catch 22. Have all the 2015's even completely sold yet? What's your estimate of existing 2016 remaining stock in CA dealership hands?

The key word is "enough". I can still see 4 new 2015's on the east coast, so they clearly won't wait for all to be sold. On the west coast, Stevens Creek (San Jose) still shows 50 on hand, but nobody else has more than a dozen. 174 total nationwide today. That is down more than 50 units in 2.5 weeks. Another 2.5 weeks will take us past the 4th of July sales. We should have a better idea then if this is really the end of the 2016 inventory.

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 Post subject: Re: Ontario, Canada. Volks dealerships are inconsistent
PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:18 am 
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miimura wrote:
JoulesThief wrote:
miimura wrote:
As I mentioned before, there are cars already on the ground in the US with the 35.8kWh battery as well. VW America is holding them until they sell enough of the old stock 2016's.

Therein lies the catch 22. Have all the 2015's even completely sold yet? What's your estimate of existing 2016 remaining stock in CA dealership hands?

The key word is "enough". I can still see 4 new 2015's on the east coast, so they clearly won't wait for all to be sold. On the west coast, Stevens Creek (San Jose) still shows 50 on hand, but nobody else has more than a dozen. 174 total nationwide today. That is down more than 50 units in 2.5 weeks. Another 2.5 weeks will take us past the 4th of July sales. We should have a better idea then if this is really the end of the 2016 inventory.



VW still has new 2015 VW TDI's for sale, and a bunch of lightly used 2015s. They will will 2012 through 2014 TDI passats for sale shortly, used, also. They are going to have 2017 e-Golfs for sale when 2018's should be coming out, here in the USA. Keep in mind, those batteries and their chemistry age in storage, even doing nothing. VW has a tough sales job ahead of them, they really haven't done much to instill confidence in consumers. While I enjoy the way they drive, dealing with any kind of warranty work with VW dealerships is something I dread. The dealerships do a very poor job of taking care of the customer and servicing what they sell honestly. I do enjoy my 2015 e-Golf SEL. I will probably enjoy a 2020 with close to 50kwh capacity in a Gen 8 even more.

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 Post subject: Re: Ontario, Canada. Volks dealerships are inconsistent
PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:05 pm 
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So. I placed an order for a 2017 e-Golf (base model) today. Got a pretty good deal.

But here's something irritating. After all my analysis, I ended up buying it from the #8 choice on my list. the #1 on my list pulled a bait-and-switch. When I got there, they said that they won't handle the government rebate for me. So they re-did the quote and it ended up not being competitive with the others anymore. They actually jacked up the overall price by $300. So just the action of removing the government rebate (before taxes) and telling me that I'd have to handle it myself, actually added $300 to the bill (once I subtracted the $14K). What the hell?

F that!

My #8 on my list, the one I ended up signing with, actually sent me a terrible quote by email. Yesterday I went to their dealership because they actually had a demo to drive. I was the first one to drive it too. They were still pulling off the plastic wrap when I got there. Then I got a quote from a sales rep. This time, it placed them at #3 on my list. So far so good. Today I went back and they gave me a really good deal. Best deal I got so far. So I signed up and put in a deposit.

Moral of the story: The process is all over the place. Even with all my hard work, my #1 choice tried to fuck me over when it came time to actually buy it. My #8 choice, which I wasn't even going to bother with, ended up #1. It's a very unpleasant process. Only 2nd to a root canal in my book!

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 Post subject: Re: Ontario, Canada. Volks dealerships are inconsistent
PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 6:49 am 
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Zeuser wrote:
So. I placed an order for a 2017 e-Golf (base model) today. Got a pretty good deal.

But here's something irritating. After all my analysis, I ended up buying it from the #8 choice on my list. the #1 on my list pulled a bait-and-switch. When I got there, they said that they won't handle the government rebate for me. So they re-did the quote and it ended up not being competitive with the others anymore. They actually jacked up the overall price by $300. So just the action of removing the government rebate (before taxes) and telling me that I'd have to handle it myself, actually added $300 to the bill (once I subtracted the $14K). What the hell?

F that!

My #8 on my list, the one I ended up signing with, actually sent me a terrible quote by email. Yesterday I went to their dealership because they actually had a demo to drive. I was the first one to drive it too. They were still pulling off the plastic wrap when I got there. Then I got a quote from a sales rep. This time, it placed them at #3 on my list. So far so good. Today I went back and they gave me a really good deal. Best deal I got so far. So I signed up and put in a deposit.

Moral of the story: The process is all over the place. Even with all my hard work, my #1 choice tried to fuck me over when it came time to actually buy it. My #8 choice, which I wasn't even going to bother with, ended up #1. It's a very unpleasant process. Only 2nd to a root canal in my book!


I hear ya! Has anyone considered using a broker to get an E-Golf or any other EV? I have used a broker for my last two ICE vehicle purchases and it avoids most of this crap. I also went to dealers to confirm and I find I end up paying similar to a little less through the broker. I certainly pay less than if I was upsold on anything - there just isn't any upselling.


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 Post subject: Re: Ontario, Canada. Volks dealerships are inconsistent
PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 10:18 am 
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Here's what I got when I put my deposit down...

Freight: $1645 (ok)
AC tax: $100 (ok)
Registration: $299 (? is this admin fees?)
Ride Green Certificate: $299 (??? didn't see this one in your list)
OMVIC/Tire: $27.75 (ok, but combined on my quote)
License Free: $32.00 (is this to transfer plates?)


Total purchase price: $46,963.75 (with tech and leatherette)

The dealership has also warned me, subject to change when I go in for the final order...

and also, unfortunately this is the only dealership within driving range for me... So I don't have much of a choice which one I go to...

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 Post subject: Re: Ontario, Canada. Volks dealerships are inconsistent
PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 6:56 pm 
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There is no liability issues posting sales quotes. If someone told you they heard about someone being sued over doing so they were confused and didn't have all the details. If you post a sales quote along with a claim that someone is a liar or a thief, then you could be subject to a lawsuit unless you have evidence of them lying or stealing (truth is an absolute defense).


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 Post subject: Re: Ontario, Canada. Volks dealerships are inconsistent
PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 10:32 am 
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nerk wrote:
Here's what I got when I put my deposit down...

Freight: $1645 (ok)
AC tax: $100 (ok)
Registration: $299 (? is this admin fees?)
Ride Green Certificate: $299 (??? didn't see this one in your list)
OMVIC/Tire: $27.75 (ok, but combined on my quote)
License Free: $32.00 (is this to transfer plates?)


Total purchase price: $46,963.75 (with tech and leatherette)

The dealership has also warned me, subject to change when I go in for the final order...

and also, unfortunately this is the only dealership within driving range for me... So I don't have much of a choice which one I go to...


My quote was the same as yours, but I got them to remove the Ride Green fee. It's basically nitrogen in your tires and not mandatory.


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 Post subject: Re: Ontario, Canada. Volks dealerships are inconsistent
PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 11:09 am 
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flyboy320 wrote:

My quote was the same as yours, but I got them to remove the Ride Green fee. It's basically nitrogen in your tires and not mandatory.


What about registration? what's that for? I think that's a bogus up sell too... If I read OMVIC website correctly...

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 Post subject: Re: Ontario, Canada. Volks dealerships are inconsistent
PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 11:16 am 
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nerk wrote:

What about registration? what's that for? I think that's a bogus up sell too... If I read OMVIC website correctly...


Sound like the Admin, Dealer, etc. fee. Mine was $295.


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