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 Post subject: Re: Buy 2017 e-Golf now or buy it after 2018 model comes out
PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 10:13 am 
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If VW has more 2017 e-Golfs in inventory, they are holding them back, or waiting for Trump to do something about what, Carbon Credits, before they sell any more?

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 Post subject: Re: Buy 2017 e-Golf now or buy it after 2018 model comes out
PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 1:05 pm 
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I ended up buying a 2017 e-Golf SEL Premium from Sonnen VW in San Rafael, CA with an $8,000 discount and 0% financing. It seems like a well run and professional dealership. They are out of e-Golfs but the internet sales person said he heard the 2018s are coming in a month or so.


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 Post subject: Re: Buy 2017 e-Golf now or buy it after 2018 model comes out
PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:20 pm 
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slk23 wrote:
I ended up buying a 2017 e-Golf SEL Premium from Sonnen VW in San Rafael, CA with an $8,000 discount and 0% financing. It seems like a well run and professional dealership. They are out of e-Golfs but the internet sales person said he heard the 2018s are coming in a month or so.

The 2018's had better come in July. There are only 16 cars showing at Cars.com today, June 4th 2018. 7 of them are at Stevens Creek VW in San Jose, CA and 4 are on the east coast.

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 Post subject: Re: Buy 2017 e-Golf now or buy it after 2018 model comes out
PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 10:32 am 
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Maybe there won't be a 2018 e-Golf. Right now, the e-Golf is a compliance car (albeit a really good one, in my opinion) and it's possible that VW sold enough to get the ZEV credits they need for the next year or two.

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 Post subject: Re: Buy 2017 e-Golf now or buy it after 2018 model comes out
PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:42 pm 
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f1geek wrote:
Maybe there won't be a 2018 e-Golf. Right now, the e-Golf is a compliance car (albeit a really good one, in my opinion) and it's possible that VW sold enough to get the ZEV credits they need for the next year or two.


That's a good point that I never realized before. VW may be one of the world's biggest automakers (always competing with GM and Toyota for the #1 spot), but in the US its sales are relatively small, only about 340k cars (and just 3500 of them as eGolfs) in all of 2017. To put that in perspective, Nissan sold almost as many Altimas in 2015, and that's just one of several models.

So VW doesn't need to sell as many ZEVs as GM and Toyota and Nissan.

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 Post subject: Re: Buy 2017 e-Golf now or buy it after 2018 model comes out
PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 10:38 pm 
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RonDawg wrote:
f1geek wrote:
Maybe there won't be a 2018 e-Golf. Right now, the e-Golf is a compliance car (albeit a really good one, in my opinion) and it's possible that VW sold enough to get the ZEV credits they need for the next year or two.


That's a good point that I never realized before. VW may be one of the world's biggest automakers (always competing with GM and Toyota for the #1 spot), but in the US its sales are relatively small, only about 340k cars (and just 3500 of them as eGolfs) in all of 2017. To put that in perspective, Nissan sold almost as many Altimas in 2015, and that's just one of several models.

So VW doesn't need to sell as many ZEVs as GM and Toyota and Nissan.

I am not sure of the details, but the e-Golf may be carrying the burden of collecting ZEV credits for the combined volume of the entire VW Group - VW, Audi, Porsche, Lambo, etc. The new Atlas and Tiguan are doing pretty well, so VW really needs to plan ahead for the credits they will need. The slope of how many credits they need per ICE is getting steeper as the 2020's approach. Also, I'm pretty sure that people have received confirmation from dealers that there is US port inventory of 2018 e-Golfs.

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 Post subject: Re: Buy 2017 e-Golf now or buy it after 2018 model comes out
PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:02 am 
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miimura wrote:
RonDawg wrote:
f1geek wrote:
Maybe there won't be a 2018 e-Golf. Right now, the e-Golf is a compliance car (albeit a really good one, in my opinion) and it's possible that VW sold enough to get the ZEV credits they need for the next year or two.


That's a good point that I never realized before. VW may be one of the world's biggest automakers (always competing with GM and Toyota for the #1 spot), but in the US its sales are relatively small, only about 340k cars (and just 3500 of them as eGolfs) in all of 2017. To put that in perspective, Nissan sold almost as many Altimas in 2015, and that's just one of several models.

So VW doesn't need to sell as many ZEVs as GM and Toyota and Nissan.

I am not sure of the details, but the e-Golf may be carrying the burden of collecting ZEV credits for the combined volume of the entire VW Group - VW, Audi, Porsche, Lambo, etc. The new Atlas and Tiguan are doing pretty well, so VW really needs to plan ahead for the credits they will need. The slope of how many credits they need per ICE is getting steeper as the 2020's approach. Also, I'm pretty sure that people have received confirmation from dealers that there is US port inventory of 2018 e-Golfs.


I'd consider getting a 2017 SEL in White with tan interior, but I really received such a good price on my 2015, that I'm having a hard time justifying the big price increase from my 2015 to move up to a 2017. The larger battery, for me, is more a want, than a need. If the 2017 had a more plush suspension system vs that of the 2015, which is quite sporty, I'd also consider the updated version. The roads here where I live, some of them have tiny pot holes, or it's rather rough driving over railroad tracks. But it does drive like a slot car in the canyons on the way to the beach at Malibu, gotta give it good credit for that.

I'd think, for me, $10k off of a 2017 SEL would probably get me into buying a new 2017 SEL... that's my current threshold for a new e-Golf.

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 Post subject: Re: Buy 2017 e-Golf now or buy it after 2018 model comes out
PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 5:33 am 
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I'd consider getting a 2017 SEL in White with tan interior, but I really received such a good price on my 2015, that I'm having a hard time justifying the big price increase from my 2015 to move up to a 2017. The larger battery, for me, is more a want, than a need.


That was the basis for my deciding to buy out the lease of my 2015. The residual was so low, and the car has so few miles, it that it didn't make financial sense really to get a 2017 unless they were dirt cheap, and they weren't. I couldn't get more than a few grand off MSRP if I were to buy, and leasing was going to cost MORE per month with MORE down than with my 2015.

125 mile range is nice, larger infotainment screen is nice, having Apple CarPlay is nice, being able to adjust and turn on charge timers from the infotainment screen is nice, but in the end not nice enough to override the added costs of a new one. Fortunately the range of my 2015 is well within my needs, and I have an ICEV as a secondary car for those times it's not enough. I know that for many people that's not the case and I can see why they would want to unload theirs at end of lease for something else.

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 Post subject: Re: Buy 2017 e-Golf now or buy it after 2018 model comes out
PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 8:46 am 
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No more $8K off the MSRP? I got a similar deal and I felt it was worth it to pay $6K more (got a combined $15K off the MSRP with VW discount and the federal $7.5K tax credit) than the residual on my 2015 to have a car with a battery I can pamper so I'll get 10 to 15 years of usable life out of it. I used to have to charge to near 100% routinely, but now I only charge to 80% SOC (and 70% SOC when the temps are 95F or above) to reduce degradation. Being able to very easily set the charge timer from the car is a big advantage, in my opinion, because once the 3 year car-net plan runs out, I can still have tight control on battery SOC (with no additional charge). If you have an EVSE that enables you do accomplish the same, then that's great, but my Clipper Creek HCS-40P is a "dumb" but reliable unit.

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 Post subject: Re: Buy 2017 e-Golf now or buy it after 2018 model comes out
PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 4:34 pm 
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miimura wrote:
slk23 wrote:
I ended up buying a 2017 e-Golf SEL Premium from Sonnen VW in San Rafael, CA with an $8,000 discount and 0% financing. It seems like a well run and professional dealership. They are out of e-Golfs but the internet sales person said he heard the 2018s are coming in a month or so.

The 2018's had better come in July. There are only 16 cars showing at Cars.com today, June 4th 2018. 7 of them are at Stevens Creek VW in San Jose, CA and 4 are on the east coast.

Nationwide inventory on June 8th on Cars.com is now 7 units. The 7 at Stevens Creek have disappeared. 3 left in CA, 2 in OR, and two in MD.

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